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New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
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15 years 1 month ago #478
by Brian Ananda
Replied by Brian Ananda on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
LOL...I tried to quote you to show that I was replying to you. However, it turned out I was making a new post instead of editing the old one...
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15 years 1 month ago #479
by Brian Ananda
Replied by Brian Ananda on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
@tomo:
I'm going yo give you a very detailed reply since you're inquiring because you want to actually want to implement the technique. However, I'm tied up at the moment so it'll be a little later tonight or tomorrow morning.
I'm going yo give you a very detailed reply since you're inquiring because you want to actually want to implement the technique. However, I'm tied up at the moment so it'll be a little later tonight or tomorrow morning.
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15 years 1 month ago #480
by Brian Ananda
Replied by Brian Ananda on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
Wow...just got blasted by Kenneth on KFD...a real condescending set of posts. I really don't think it was warranted.
Anyway...when I go and address the 2 half-truths, 1 mis-leading comment, & 1 out-right lie...my post disappears 10 minutes later.
Is that another WetPaint issue? If so, it is one heck of a coincidence...
...
LOL...**UPDATE***...make that BOTH of those posts just mysteriously disappeared.
I really thought Kenneth was better than that. I see why you guys created this forum.
Anyway...when I go and address the 2 half-truths, 1 mis-leading comment, & 1 out-right lie...my post disappears 10 minutes later.
Is that another WetPaint issue? If so, it is one heck of a coincidence...
...
LOL...**UPDATE***...make that BOTH of those posts just mysteriously disappeared.
I really thought Kenneth was better than that. I see why you guys created this forum.
- kennethfolk
15 years 1 month ago #481
by kennethfolk
Replied by kennethfolk on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
Hi Brian. I deleted both your posts. No mystery whatsoever. I posted this on the same thread:
Brian Ananda responded with two posts on this thread a moment ago. I took his comments to be discourteous and argumentative and deleted both posts.
This website is my classroom. This is where I teach people what I can about enlightenment. That's all. Arguing just isn't interesting to me anymore.
I have learned that it is better to take a firm hand in the beginning and risk offending someone than to let a thread turn into a flame war. No apologies. There it is.
Brian Ananda responded with two posts on this thread a moment ago. I took his comments to be discourteous and argumentative and deleted both posts.
This website is my classroom. This is where I teach people what I can about enlightenment. That's all. Arguing just isn't interesting to me anymore.
I have learned that it is better to take a firm hand in the beginning and risk offending someone than to let a thread turn into a flame war. No apologies. There it is.
- Dharma Comarade
15 years 1 month ago #482
by Dharma Comarade
Replied by Dharma Comarade on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
Jesus - can this forum please be just about equals having discussions? Rather than hearing
more crap about KFd?
more crap about KFd?
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15 years 1 month ago #483
by Brian Ananda
Replied by Brian Ananda on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
Yeah...Kenneth. It was "nice" of you to at least give me that courtesy...
Ummm....transferring the argument to a forum that was created to escape your flames/retorts/etc. (and not by me, mind you, but by your inner circle) ... that probably isn't "nice".
I'm going to leave it at that. Flame me, condescend me, belittle me & everyone that thinks you're great for getting people to meditate, but your head has swelled a bit...and you've forgotten that a lot of other are getting enlightened by other techniques in other Mahasi (& Mahasi derivatives) systems...
Pardon me for thinking you cared more about people getting enlightened than getting enlightened through your system?
So who is spreading the "mushroom culture" now?
(Sorry, even in my resentment for what you've become, I can't resist using this line.)
I think I'll continue to get enlightened by those "charlatans" that don't brag about their attainments and teach people regardless of whether or not they follow beliefs behind the system, No mystery there. None whatsoever.
Ummm....transferring the argument to a forum that was created to escape your flames/retorts/etc. (and not by me, mind you, but by your inner circle) ... that probably isn't "nice".
I'm going to leave it at that. Flame me, condescend me, belittle me & everyone that thinks you're great for getting people to meditate, but your head has swelled a bit...and you've forgotten that a lot of other are getting enlightened by other techniques in other Mahasi (& Mahasi derivatives) systems...
Pardon me for thinking you cared more about people getting enlightened than getting enlightened through your system?
So who is spreading the "mushroom culture" now?
(Sorry, even in my resentment for what you've become, I can't resist using this line.)
I think I'll continue to get enlightened by those "charlatans" that don't brag about their attainments and teach people regardless of whether or not they follow beliefs behind the system, No mystery there. None whatsoever.
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15 years 1 month ago #484
by Brian Ananda
Replied by Brian Ananda on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
@Chris/Jackson (& everyone else, really)
I apologize for being so blunt in the previous post. I'm sure I don't have to tell you guys this, but I wasn't argumentative or "flaming" Kenneth in those posts he deleted. In fact, I was very restrained. I merely told him how disappointed I was & corrected him on the misleading & condescending/belittling remarks he made. They were removed because he needs those last few posts to be the end of the conversation.
I even left out quite a bit of information that would've have been very embarrassing for him...particularly on his site. If ever I had I right to use it, there & then would've been it. The difference being, I'm not going to react to those feelings that arose.
I say all this, to say this: Do you really think it is a good idea to have him as a member here? I think the post he made above states my case.
I realize that he's being really sweet to you guys...for the moment. Keep in mind he won't be that way with all of the "refugees".
I apologize for being so blunt in the previous post. I'm sure I don't have to tell you guys this, but I wasn't argumentative or "flaming" Kenneth in those posts he deleted. In fact, I was very restrained. I merely told him how disappointed I was & corrected him on the misleading & condescending/belittling remarks he made. They were removed because he needs those last few posts to be the end of the conversation.
I even left out quite a bit of information that would've have been very embarrassing for him...particularly on his site. If ever I had I right to use it, there & then would've been it. The difference being, I'm not going to react to those feelings that arose.
I say all this, to say this: Do you really think it is a good idea to have him as a member here? I think the post he made above states my case.
I realize that he's being really sweet to you guys...for the moment. Keep in mind he won't be that way with all of the "refugees".
15 years 1 month ago #485
by Jackson
Replied by Jackson on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
Brian, no need to apologize. You're right. Allowing him to participate here could prove to be a mistake. I realize this, as does Chris. I appreciate your feedback. There's no state rule that says Chris or I can't revoke Kenneth's membership. If he doesn't provide some meaningful dialog soon, he's out. Period.
Jackson
Jackson
15 years 1 month ago #486
by Jackson
Replied by Jackson on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
On second thought, forget it. I just revoked his membership. I can't handle this shit anymore. He can respond to my questions at his site or not at all.
I'm over it.
I apologize for ever allowing him to join the first place.
-Jackson
I'm over it.
I apologize for ever allowing him to join the first place.
-Jackson
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15 years 1 month ago #487
by Kate Gowen
Replied by Kate Gowen on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
Confu?shush say: Live and learn, grasshopper.
[ This must be some kind of instantaneous self-destruct record, eh? ]
[ This must be some kind of instantaneous self-destruct record, eh? ]
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15 years 1 month ago #488
by Brian Ananda
I agree, Michael. I even asked Kenneth to re-read the posts on his site. I told him (in the deleted reply) that I tried my best to emphasize "this is what is good for me, not for everyone"...the alternative was to ignore the question directly asked of me.
After what has transpired, I see that I should have just ignored the post...but it is always easy to look back at what we "should've" done.
I really wish you guys could've seen my replies...they were not inflammatory at all.
Anyway...let's forget this & continue with what we we doing.
I'm trying to layout my thoughts in an organized fashion so that I can make a good post on approaching enlightenment/dhamma from the "feelings & religion" perspective. You said something about you'd like to hear more on the psychology/western dhamma vs. dhamma with feelings etc. & the resounded within me. I don't think it is too often that we hear about making meditative progress from a religious point of view.
Replied by Brian Ananda on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
Anyway, I read the Brian posts and Kenneth's responses (Brian's responses to which Kenneth deleted as we know) and I see both points in a way. KFD is Kenneth's site as a "teacher" as the person with the authority and for him, it isn't a site for other people (like Brian or Chris or Jackson or me) to come along and try to have equal say on vipassana techniques.
-michaelmonson
I agree, Michael. I even asked Kenneth to re-read the posts on his site. I told him (in the deleted reply) that I tried my best to emphasize "this is what is good for me, not for everyone"...the alternative was to ignore the question directly asked of me.
After what has transpired, I see that I should have just ignored the post...but it is always easy to look back at what we "should've" done.
I really wish you guys could've seen my replies...they were not inflammatory at all.
Anyway...let's forget this & continue with what we we doing.
I'm trying to layout my thoughts in an organized fashion so that I can make a good post on approaching enlightenment/dhamma from the "feelings & religion" perspective. You said something about you'd like to hear more on the psychology/western dhamma vs. dhamma with feelings etc. & the resounded within me. I don't think it is too often that we hear about making meditative progress from a religious point of view.
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15 years 1 month ago #489
by Chris Marti
Replied by Chris Marti on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
I will never admit to being too old to learn a good lesson.
- Chris
- Chris
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15 years 1 month ago #490
by Chris Marti
Replied by Chris Marti on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
Listen up, folks.
I just removed several posts here because they just can't be left to stand. They were personal and even though we may not like someone we can't publicly speculate about their income, how they make it, whether they are any good at it, and so on. If any of the people who made those copmments what to complain you can complain to me.
Money does not belong in the equation.
The discussions about Kenneth need to stop.
Just stop.
Any further discussions about personal issues like this will be removed.
ANY discussion that gets overly personal needs to stop. This is a place meant to be about practice. Let's make it so. I donated money to Kenneth for a long time and I fully believe it was money well spent. Speculation, and that's all it is, about who paid what, who earns what and why and how all that takes place can't be done here. It'll kill this place and it makes us all look small. Whatever we do from now on has to be above board, okay?
So let's talk practice.
Thanks,
- Chris
I just removed several posts here because they just can't be left to stand. They were personal and even though we may not like someone we can't publicly speculate about their income, how they make it, whether they are any good at it, and so on. If any of the people who made those copmments what to complain you can complain to me.
Money does not belong in the equation.
The discussions about Kenneth need to stop.
Just stop.
Any further discussions about personal issues like this will be removed.
ANY discussion that gets overly personal needs to stop. This is a place meant to be about practice. Let's make it so. I donated money to Kenneth for a long time and I fully believe it was money well spent. Speculation, and that's all it is, about who paid what, who earns what and why and how all that takes place can't be done here. It'll kill this place and it makes us all look small. Whatever we do from now on has to be above board, okay?
So let's talk practice.
Thanks,
- Chris
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15 years 1 month ago #491
by Brian Ananda
Chris,
I'm not too proud to say that I was completely out of line when I made such a hasty request for someone to elaborate on that. Sheer curiosity came over me & I clicked "submit reply" before I really thought it through.
A think a thorough self-examination--a "taking stock in oneself", if you will--would be prudent on my part. For all the talk on "not reacting" I certainly fell victim to just that. In the immortal words of the Joker:
Curiosity killed the bat.
- Brian A.J.
Replied by Brian Ananda on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
...we can't publicly speculate about their income...
-cmarti
Chris,
I'm not too proud to say that I was completely out of line when I made such a hasty request for someone to elaborate on that. Sheer curiosity came over me & I clicked "submit reply" before I really thought it through.
A think a thorough self-examination--a "taking stock in oneself", if you will--would be prudent on my part. For all the talk on "not reacting" I certainly fell victim to just that. In the immortal words of the Joker:
Curiosity killed the bat.
- Brian A.J.
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15 years 1 month ago #492
by Chris Marti
Replied by Chris Marti on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
Thank you.
Let me also take this opportunity to remind everyone posting here that this forum is PUBLIC. Access is managed by Jackson and me, so you can't post here until you register and we approve you as a member. But all of your comments are openly and freely available to anyone with a web browser and Internet connectivity. So think about what you are about to post before you post it. Please use common sense and common courtesy.
/lecture
Let me also take this opportunity to remind everyone posting here that this forum is PUBLIC. Access is managed by Jackson and me, so you can't post here until you register and we approve you as a member. But all of your comments are openly and freely available to anyone with a web browser and Internet connectivity. So think about what you are about to post before you post it. Please use common sense and common courtesy.
/lecture
15 years 1 month ago #493
by Jackson
Replied by Jackson on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
I thought we could all use a little humor after all of drama that has transpired here over the last day or so. Since this is a vipassana thread, I thought this cartoon was appropriate...
( http://www.buddhisthumor.org/pblaw_cartoons.html )
Now, let's get back to our wonderful conversations
-Jackson
( http://www.buddhisthumor.org/pblaw_cartoons.html )
Now, let's get back to our wonderful conversations
-Jackson
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15 years 1 month ago #494
by Kate Gowen
Replied by Kate Gowen on topic New Blog Post: Vipassana Meditation: More than just "noting"
From an unlikely byway I found myself meandering this week:
"The epigram bids us to 'look well,' and in those two apparently insignificant words lies one of the prime secrets of alchemy: Give attention to what you are doing. Attention acts as the magical 'third force' operating to connect the material experiment and the psyche of the experimenter. It is this that helps us to achieve real transformation, and we will come back to this third ingredient again and again...
... Practicing alchemy in everyday life is the opposite of living mechanically. It is about committing yourself to growth, and working consciously." [From Everyday Alchemy, by Cherry Gilchrist]
"The epigram bids us to 'look well,' and in those two apparently insignificant words lies one of the prime secrets of alchemy: Give attention to what you are doing. Attention acts as the magical 'third force' operating to connect the material experiment and the psyche of the experimenter. It is this that helps us to achieve real transformation, and we will come back to this third ingredient again and again...
... Practicing alchemy in everyday life is the opposite of living mechanically. It is about committing yourself to growth, and working consciously." [From Everyday Alchemy, by Cherry Gilchrist]