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14 years 3 weeks ago #4793
by Jake Yeager
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Hi everyone,
Just wanted to share a part of my natural progression. I've always had a tendency to be very hard on myself, especially if I felt proud about something. "Don't feel proud, you idiot! That's ego!" And I was right: it is ego. But there's no need to beat myself up about it. So I'm slowly eliminating this part of the two-part process of being proud and then beating myself up about it. Now I am just proud and I acknowledge that. It makes life so much more pleasant and simple! It's like I am closer to the core experience, which is nice.
This is also related to my distaste for arrogant people. I don't let myself feel pride, so why should anyone else?!
Happy Saturday!
Jake2
Just wanted to share a part of my natural progression. I've always had a tendency to be very hard on myself, especially if I felt proud about something. "Don't feel proud, you idiot! That's ego!" And I was right: it is ego. But there's no need to beat myself up about it. So I'm slowly eliminating this part of the two-part process of being proud and then beating myself up about it. Now I am just proud and I acknowledge that. It makes life so much more pleasant and simple! It's like I am closer to the core experience, which is nice.
This is also related to my distaste for arrogant people. I don't let myself feel pride, so why should anyone else?!
Happy Saturday!
Jake2
14 years 3 weeks ago #4794
by Jackson
Replied by Jackson on topic Not beating myself up for being proud
The funny thing is that while pride is (usually) an habitual egoic pattern, so is the criticizing, blaming voice that arises in response!
I think an important aspect of the path is regularly introducing new skillful patterns in response to old unskillful ones. The automatic, reactive responses that arises are never new. The very fact that they arise in this way shows that they are old, and that they were learned and practiced in the path.
In a sense, all thinking is remembering. We learn language first in a interpersonal context, where it is spoken out loud between two or more individuals. Then, in early-mid childhood, we begin using intrapersonal speech (talking to ourselves), and we do so out loud, not in our heads. Only later do we begin to talk to ourselves privately by remembering the sounds the words make when spoken aloud. (I sometimes wonder if this one of the contributing factors for "hearing" thoughts at the location of our heads; for, that's where we most closely hear our voices when we speak aloud.)
So, when we use private speech - whether deliberately or not - it is largely a form of recollection. Interesting, right?
We can't really stop old memories from arising, but we can begin to introduce new habits of body, speech, and mind that eventually assert more influence over our conduct and experience than the old ones do.
I think you're on the right track in your response to the arising of pride. The first step is not "beat yourself up" for the arising of a memory. That just makes us more neurotic than is necessary. There are some other things you can do, though, that may help. I mentioned Taking and Sending in another post here. You could apply it in a creative way to this process. When pride arises, first just acknowledge it (no need to put yourself down; it isn't helpful). Next, use that moment as an opportunity to offer something beneficial for the benefit of others. Determine what it is you are proud about: is it health, intelligence, skill in meditation, etc? Whatever the beneficial quality is, mentally and emotionally offer it away to all who would benefit from it. Than, not only are you practicing non-reactivity, but you're also practicing generosity, which is a wholesome (i.e. non-egoic) mental quality that will only help you on the path.
It's just an idea. If it doesn't sound good, drop it and keep doing what you're doing
I think an important aspect of the path is regularly introducing new skillful patterns in response to old unskillful ones. The automatic, reactive responses that arises are never new. The very fact that they arise in this way shows that they are old, and that they were learned and practiced in the path.
In a sense, all thinking is remembering. We learn language first in a interpersonal context, where it is spoken out loud between two or more individuals. Then, in early-mid childhood, we begin using intrapersonal speech (talking to ourselves), and we do so out loud, not in our heads. Only later do we begin to talk to ourselves privately by remembering the sounds the words make when spoken aloud. (I sometimes wonder if this one of the contributing factors for "hearing" thoughts at the location of our heads; for, that's where we most closely hear our voices when we speak aloud.)
So, when we use private speech - whether deliberately or not - it is largely a form of recollection. Interesting, right?
We can't really stop old memories from arising, but we can begin to introduce new habits of body, speech, and mind that eventually assert more influence over our conduct and experience than the old ones do.
I think you're on the right track in your response to the arising of pride. The first step is not "beat yourself up" for the arising of a memory. That just makes us more neurotic than is necessary. There are some other things you can do, though, that may help. I mentioned Taking and Sending in another post here. You could apply it in a creative way to this process. When pride arises, first just acknowledge it (no need to put yourself down; it isn't helpful). Next, use that moment as an opportunity to offer something beneficial for the benefit of others. Determine what it is you are proud about: is it health, intelligence, skill in meditation, etc? Whatever the beneficial quality is, mentally and emotionally offer it away to all who would benefit from it. Than, not only are you practicing non-reactivity, but you're also practicing generosity, which is a wholesome (i.e. non-egoic) mental quality that will only help you on the path.
It's just an idea. If it doesn't sound good, drop it and keep doing what you're doing
14 years 3 weeks ago #4795
by Ona Kiser
Replied by Ona Kiser on topic Not beating myself up for being proud
@Jackson, that's a really good point about how in our efforts to get rid of ego-reaction, we sometimes just apply another (ie beating ourselves up about pride or other reactions). I think that's a useful thing to keep in mind, as it is such a common habit.
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14 years 3 weeks ago #4796
by Kate Gowen
Replied by Kate Gowen on topic Not beating myself up for being proud
Really grokking the endless regression implicit in self-improvement meditation projects-- is a profound, full-stop, moment of opportunity...
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14 years 3 weeks ago #4797
by Jake Yeager
Replied by Jake Yeager on topic Not beating myself up for being proud
Hi Jackson,
Thanks for your suggestion on working with pride. I will try this. I was thinking that my modus operandi was to going to be to simply let it arise, acknowledge it, and then let it pass away. Over time, I was thinking that as my perspective becomes less rooted in ego-consciousness as a function of practice, then pride slowly no longer will have a locus to refer to and will simply vanish over time.
It definitely improves my outlook not to beat myself up about it all though. I often will criticize myself for feeling anxiety as well because I think this is a manifestation of small-mind thinking. However, I think I need to learn to laugh at myself when I feel anxiety. I was at a concert Friday night and the singer said she's gets really nervous when playing a particular instrument because she just learned it. She then laughed at herself heartily. I like this easy-going nature, because I have a tendency to be very serious about these matters.
Jake2
Thanks for your suggestion on working with pride. I will try this. I was thinking that my modus operandi was to going to be to simply let it arise, acknowledge it, and then let it pass away. Over time, I was thinking that as my perspective becomes less rooted in ego-consciousness as a function of practice, then pride slowly no longer will have a locus to refer to and will simply vanish over time.
It definitely improves my outlook not to beat myself up about it all though. I often will criticize myself for feeling anxiety as well because I think this is a manifestation of small-mind thinking. However, I think I need to learn to laugh at myself when I feel anxiety. I was at a concert Friday night and the singer said she's gets really nervous when playing a particular instrument because she just learned it. She then laughed at herself heartily. I like this easy-going nature, because I have a tendency to be very serious about these matters.
Jake2
